History Test

[ojosclaros]

History Test

Please pause a moment, reflect back, and take the following Multiple Choice
test. The events are actual cuts from past history. They actually happened! Maybe (certainly not!!) this will open people's eyes and enable them to see that racial profiling, at times, is necessary for successful enforcement of our laws and for our safety. Judge for yourself.

Do you remember?

1. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred by:

a. Olga Corbitt

b. Sitting Bull

c. Arnold Schwarzeneger

d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40


2. In 1979, the U.S. embassy in Iran was taken over by:

a. Lost Norwegians

b. Elvis

c. A tour bus full of 80-year-old women

d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40


3. During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by:

a. John Dillinger

b. The King of Sweden

c. The Boy Scouts

d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40


4. In 1983, the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by:

a. A pizza delivery boy

b. Pee Wee Herman

c. Geraldo Rivera

d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40


5. In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70 year old American
Passenger was murdered and thrown overboard in his wheelchair by:

a. The Smurfs

b. Davy Jones

c. The Little Mermaid

d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40


6. In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a U.S Navy diver trying to rescue passengers was murdered by:

a. Captain Kidd

b. Charles Lindberg

c. Mother Teresa

d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40


7. In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:

a. Scooby Doo

b. The Tooth Fairy

c. Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid

d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40


8. In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by:

a. Richard Simmons

b. Grandma Moses

c. Michael Jordan

d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40


9. In 1998, the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by:

a. Mr. Rogers

b. Hillary Clinton, to distract attention from Wild Bill' s women problems

c. The World Wrestling Federation

d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40


10. On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked; two were used as missiles to take
out the World Trade Centers and of the remaining two, one crashed into the US
Pentagon and the other was diverted and crashed by the passengers. Thousands of
people were killed by:

a. Bugs Bunny, Wiley E. Coyote, Daffy Duck and Elmer Fudd

b. The Supreme Court of Florida

c. Mr. Bean

d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40


11. In 2002 the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against:

a. Enron

b. The Lutheran Church

c. The NFL

d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40


12. In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by:

a. Bonnie and Clyde

b. Captain Kangaroo

c. Billy Graham

d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40


Nope, .........I really don't see a pattern here to justify profiling, do you?

So, to ensure we Americans never offend anyone, particularly fanatics intent on
killing us, airport security screeners will no longer be allowed to profile
"certain" people. They must conduct random searches of 80-year-old women, little
kids, airline pilots with proper identification, secret agents who are members
of the President's security detail, 85-year old Congressmen with metal hips, and
Medal of Honor winning former Governors, and leave Muslim Males between the ages 17 & 40 alone because of profiling.

As the writer of the award winning story "Forrest Gump" so aptly put it,

"Stupid is as stupid does."

[alacran62]

Ojos Claros

I had never thought about that.

[lightwav]

VERY WELL SAID!

[throthrem]

The first statement is simply a wholesale condemnation of an entire people. To single out tragedies without speaking of the underlying motives of those actions is simply inflammatory. While I do not condone the violent actions of a small section of a nationality, I cannot sit by and read these statements without a response.

[lightwav]

Originally posted by throthrem@Jun 3 2004, 08:15 PM
To single out tragedies without speaking of the underlying motives of those actions is simply inflammatory.
OK so then you are saying there is justification for these horrible acts? :blink: You think there is any real justification for 911? :blink: If so, what is your reasoning? :unsure:

[lightwav]

Originally posted by throthrem@Jun 3 2004, 08:15 PM
While I do not condone the violent actions of a small section of a nationality,
We are not really talking about a nationality here...

We are talking about a religion which people choose to be a part of or not be a part of.

It's not like being hispanic or black or indian or chinese which you do not choose and can't change.

If you are part of a race (not religion) then you can not change your race just because some part of your race is doing bad things.

If you are part of a religion and the religion teaches and breeds bad people and horrible acts upon innocent people, then you can certainly choose to NOT be part of that religion or group. If you do not choose to disconnect yourself from a religion or any group for that matter that kills innocent people for no reall good reason, then I say you are as bad as the killers. Not YOU personally, I am speaking in generalities.

Examples:

1 - You are hispanic and do not like the fact that many hispanics have been involved in gang activity. You can't change the fact that you are hispanic you can only do your part to make your race look better in the eyes of the world, do the right thing and attempt to get others that are part of your race to fly right.

2- You are part of a motorcycle club called the "Biker Dudes of Sout Texas" that has been riding harleys together for 4 years. The trips have always been peaceful and fun for as long as you have been a member. One weekend many members of the group want to go on a longer more expensive trip and most don't have the money to afford it. One of the members proposes that each member of the group is to hold up a convenience store to raise the funds for the trip. You decide you won't do any hold ups. Still you decide to go on the trip using funds derived from criminal activities and you continue to be a member of this club for another 2 years. Every 6 months or so the majority of the club robs a few stores to keep the club in the cash.


So, in example 2 you can see how this person had a choice to be part of a bad group of people and decided that he stick with them even though he knew they were scum bag criminals.

So, I ask you is he any better than the criminals? Does he deserved to be called a thief just because he hangs out with thiefs? Sure, if you put yourself in the middle of a bunch of thieves, what can you expect people to think.

Now then, I ask you when a muslim who chooses to be part of a group of murdering no goods, why should we think he is any different than the group he chooses to be part of?

[throthrem]

But I could substitute Christian (or American) for Muslim and write down ten horrific acts in the twentieth century.

[kurtmasur]

Lightwav,

So are you trying to say that the majority of muslims are fanatical extremists? This is what your motorbike example illustrates.

In any case it would be a paradox to say that the majority of Muslims are extremists.

Consider this: out of literally millions of muslims around the world, only a handful are blowing themselves up in suicide bombings. Think about it, if most muslims were extremists, they themselves would have already exterminated their own population through the use of suicidal terrorist bombings. By the way, we only hear about these bombings taking place about once a week these days, and usually they are conducted by ONE or TWO people.

[lightwav]

I am simply trying to say that...

I think the Muslim religion breeds hatred... Do you all disagree with that?

Regardless of the points made on each side of this debate, why is it that people from other religions are not doing these things (at least not to this extent)?

It seems to me that there is something about Islam that teaches people to do these things.

Doesn't their own book tell them flat out to kill the infidels? The infidels are anyone who is not Muslim. Does this seem like a good religion to follow?

I mean I don't agree with most religions out there these days but I gotta tell you, catholics, baptist, budda, Jehova, Mormans or any other religion that I know of tell their people to kill anyone for any reason.

So.... I guess I am confused, so someone tell me why I should feel like the Muslim religion and the people that follow it are such peace loving people. Have I been falsely informed about their "Good Book"?

I guess I should read it, I am going on the things I have heard about it over and over again. I think I will make it a point to get a copy and read at least some of it to get a better grasp on why they think it's a noble thing to blow up one's self on a bus full of innocent men, woman and children. Hey, I guess they all deserve to die because they were the infidels???????????

As far as your earlier comment about muslims killing themselves, they do it everyday.. Not too smart I must say but in Iraq for example, I bet they have killed more of their own people than coalition solders.

>>
But I could substitute Christian (or American) for Muslim and write down ten horrific acts in the twentieth century.
>>

I did not say that know person from any other religion ever did anything wrong but let's look at the numbers here. As for being American, how is that a religion and how does it apply to the discussion of a religion.

Everyone wants to be quick to make me a racist.. Once again, I am not against any race of people. I do however think that the muslim religion teaches their people to hate and kill.


Lastly, I guess I will never forget on 9-11 when I saw a news report of packastani's (bad spelling I know) celebrating in the streets because the world trade centers came down. I remember, and this image will be burnt in my mind forever, how a disgusting woman moved her tongue and made some ungodly noise as she danced and celebrated. Can't forget it, ever.. I ask you what kind of religion breeds that sort of person? Thing is, it's not like she is some freak case and you would not expect this sort of behavior from other muslims, in fact that's what you should expect.

I actually heard reports that many people (muslims) around the world said that Nick Byrd deserved what he got. Sorry but that is twisted.. Shake it up and pour it out any way you want as to not offend anyone but I say it's twisted and it took twisted people to do it and make those comments.

[lightwav]

It also amazes me that these people can come to our country and take 3-4000 lives away from our American brothers and sisters and we still have people worrying about hurting someones feelings. ahhhh ok...

[kurtmasur]

And you, Ojoscarlos,

I'd like to ask you where you get your news from (actually this goes for everyone)CNN? Time? Newsweek? New York Times? Washington Post? San Antonio Express?

All of these are examples of mainstream media. Especially when it comes to national news, all they report is the official story, which may or may not be what actually happened. Nobody should put their blind trust in what they report. People should always treat them with a healthy dose of skepticism.

For alternative news, I recommend a site such as

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/quickindex/

It offers links to many interesting articles that are seldom, if at all, reported in the mainstream media.

In particular, I recommend you read the site's material on 9/11. It explores questions such as

Was it really "male muslim extremists between the ages of 17-40" who hijacked the planes and crashed them onto the World Trade Center?

Why exactly did the towers fall?

What was Bush doing at the exact moment of the attacks and what was his initial reaction? Read these: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/schoolvideo.html
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/bushlie.html


What is Israel's involvement in 9/11? A group of Israeli spies knew of the immenent attacks. Yet, the US government has kept such information highly classified. Why?


Of course, you should also treat the articles written here with skepticism, but they do bring up valid points to consider.

With all of this said, I don't mean to defend the Muslim extremists worldwide. I condemn their actions and their way of thinking. However, I do believe they are easy targets to be used as scapegoats for actions such as 9/11. This is all I have to say.

Kurt

[lightwav]

>>
So are you trying to say that the majority of muslims are fanatical extremists?
>>

Yes, I think so.. I think the only reason they are not all commiting the acts they were taught to is because only a certain number of them are brave enough to do so.

There are those with courage and those who are spineless in any group of people. I think that Muslims are taught to hate non muslims from the day they are born and the ones that have the guts do something about it. The ones that don't sit back and talk about it and help spew the hate.

[kurtmasur]

LightWav,

I do not doubt that in countries like in Pakistan, there are "Islamic" schools (I forget their actual name) for young boys in which a hatred towards non-Muslims is taught. However, having worked in London (a city with a large Muslim population), I got the opportunity to work alongside many Muslims. I met co-workers from Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and even Afghanistan. They were all very religious, and not once did I detect any hatred from their part. On the contrary, we got along really well, they really liked working by my side, and they appreciated having me as a colleague. Me being American and non-Muslim coming from the West, they never regarded me as an "infidel", as an extremist would have. One of them even cried during my last day at my job. They were really sad to see me return to States.

I guess it helps to have personal contact with Muslims in order to get to know them better.

Kurt

[lightwav]

Kurt,

Well, this gives me hope then.. Most of my interaction has not been quite the pleasant experience that you have had. I have not had too much personal contact I have to say.

Understand, I don't want to throw everyone in a group and dislike them all. It's just tough to put your hand out to pet a dog once you have been bit by a dog 4 times or so, you know what I mean?