Who is Barack Obama?

[gsgutz]

Got this in my email today: Ok, I'm confused now, i just dont know who to believe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Who is Barack Obama?

1- U. S. presidential candidate, Barack Hussein Obama

2- Born in Honolulu , Hawaii ,

Father: Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., a black Muslim from Nyangoma-Kogel
, Kenya ;

Mother: Ann Dunham, a white atheist from Wichita , Kansas .

Obama's parents met at the University of Hawaii .. When Obama was two
years old, his parents divorced.

Father: Returned to Kenya ..

Mother: Married Lolo Soetoro, a radical Muslim from Indonesia

3- When Obama was 6 years old, the family relocated to Indonesia .

4- Obama attended a Muslim school in Jakarta . He also spent two years in
a Catholic school.

5- Obama takes great care to conceal the fact that he is a Muslim . He Is
quick to point out

that,"He was once a Muslim, but that he also attended Catholic
school."

6- Obama's political handlers are attempting to make it appear that
Obama's introduction to Islam came

via his father, and that this influence was, temporary.

In reality, the senior Obama returned to Kenya Soon after the
divorce, and never again had any direct

influence over His son's education.

7- Lolo Soetoro, the second husband of Obama's mother, Ann Dunham,
introduced his stepson to Islam .

8- Obama was enrolled in a Wahabi school in Jakarta . Wahabism is the
radical teaching that is

followed by the Muslim terrorists who are now waging Jihad against
the western world.

Since it is politically expedient to be a Christian when seeking Major
public office in the United States , Barack Hussein Obama has joined the
United Church of Christ in an attempt to downplay his Muslim background. Let
us all remain alert concerning Obama's presidential candidacy. Please
forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they plan on destroying
the US from the inside out, what better way to start than at the highest
level.

[zunzune]

That's pretty interesting. There's no way of knowing who to trust, is there?

[gsgutz]

The following is an interesting exercise.... You answer a few questions then click the "find your candidate button" and the program selects the candidate who's position on the issues is most like your own... You may be surprised at what you find... Click the link below....

Select a Candidate 2008 (http://www.wqad.com/Global/link.asp?L=259460)

[kurtmasur]

The following is an interesting exercise.... You answer a few questions then click the "find your candidate button" and the program selects the candidate who's position on the issues is most like your own... You may be surprised at what you find... Click the link below....

Select a Candidate 2008 (http://www.wqad.com/Global/link.asp?L=259460)
Very interesting site. It turns out that I agree with all Democratic candidates first, agreeing with Dennis Kucinich the most and with Hillary the least...

After Hillary the list begins listing the Republicans, with Giuliani at the very bottom... blah!

[RUBY]

Thanks gsgutz great info... ~sighs~ Mike Gravel was at the end of my list and at the top was Duncan Hunter... Has anyone thought how bad things could get for us if Hilary Clinton was to become president. First of all the Bible tells us that a woman is not to be over a man...(sorry ladies thats God's order in things) Next, Many of the other countries that we do trade with stand on firm ground about how they view women. Hilary will never be able to sit in front of middle eastern countries and tell them what she thinks. They will dismiss her opinion instantly and will probably demote our status worldwide. Although we as Americans tend to think women are equal, many foreign countries do not. If Hilary wins it's down hill from there. If they dislike us because of Bush, they will hate us with Hilary. Gas prices will soar..:(

[kurtmasur]

First of all the Bible tells us that a woman is not to be over a man...(..:(
I've always thought that the Bible mentions those words in the context of marriage, and not necessarily in life in general...

[catlady]

Although we as Americans tend to think women are equal, many foreign countries do not. If Hilary wins it's down hill from there. If they dislike us because of Bush, they will hate us with Hilary. Gas prices will soar..:(
So, because other countries don't consider women equal then the USA shouldn't either? Many countries have now had women at the helm. India, Israel, Pakistan, etc in modern times. And that is not mentioning the past, where one of the greatest Pharoahs was a woman(Hatsheput not Cleopatra) and two of the greatest rulers of England were queens. Some have led their nations well others have not. So what do the Middle Eastern countries do about the German Chancellor Angela Merkel? Not have talks with Germany? I would not vote for Hillary because there are things I do not agree on with her, but NONE of the reasons is based on gender.

[RUBY]

I am not questioning the ability she has to run the country by any means.. All I am saying is right now is not the right time for her to be in office. As we have spoken before on other threads about the currency and how dangerously close we are to enter into a depression again because of our trade market, Hilary being president will not help the U.S. get back on its feet financially.
kurtmasur the reason behind that is because most men tend to think with their head and MOST women think with their heart.

[catlady]

The world economy is in a major slump. Most economists feel that major markets are going into a depression. Buying euros now is definately a good move.
However, my question is why is it a good time for Germany to have a woman Chancellor but a bad time for the US to have a woman president? And, why would Middle Eastern leaders meet with the German Chancellor but not with Hillary?

[gsgutz]

Im all for the womens liberty rights, I dont believe in women being best at "barefoot and pregnant". I'm glad that we have all these liberties. And I do believe also that the man is the head of the household, and he should probably be the main breadwinner. I think that women in politics is great also, but the president?? Thats just too much, it seems un-natural:eek:

[catlady]

Like I said before I would not vote for hillary because i don't agree with some of her political positions but then I wouldn't vote for any of the other candidates just because they are men. Unnatural...well, I really don't know what to say to that!

[gsgutz]

yes catlady, in my opinion, it seems un-natural for a woman to take the highest political position in the country. I think I'm entitled to my opinion. Dont take this post out of context, i'm not being catty with you, thats just the way I feel. It seems out of order, maybe you can understand that term better. I'm not trying to change your mind either, just letting you peek in on my mind. Men have always been the traditional leaders and maybe thats what I am, more traditional. I dont believe in gay marriage either, stem cell research dont know enough about it to opinionate, the border issues-there is not a need for a wall, they just need to hire more border patrol agents and pay them better. Terrorism sucks!!! That is where the real border issues begin. Why can the terrorist come over here easier than mexicans? The war is beginning to get ridiculous, let them handle their own problems in other countries, and crazy dictators like Chavez, should be banned from entering or doing business in America. We need to become more self sufficient and not rely on anyone else's goods.
Thats about it for now......

[catlady]

OK. So they are your opinions and worthy of respect though I may not agree with them. I didnot take it personally at all. Should I have?

[zunzune]

Politics can be an incendiary topic. Every one of our forum members has good points and very unique points as well. Proof that you are intelligent, conscious of what is happening around you and that you want a better world for you and those you love. Maestro MASUR, thank you for bringing your distinct way of involving everyone.

[zunzune]

Women don't necessarily have to have the highest governmental position to wield a LOT of influence. Mother Theresa is a fine example, as is Rosa Parks, and those mentioned by catlady as well. Without effective women leaders, we would not have the right to vote, the Red Cross and many other notable achievements made by women.


In 2005, the passage of the 19th amendment to the Constitution, giving women the right to vote, celebrated its 85th anniversary.
The resolution calling for woman suffrage had passed, after much debate, at the Seneca Falls Convention in 1848, convened by Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Lucretia Mott. In The Declaration of Sentiments, a document based upon the Declaration of Independence, the numerous demands of these early activists were elucidated.
The 1848 convention had challenged America to social revolution that would touch every aspect of life. Early women's rights leaders believed suffrage to be the most effective means to change an unjust system.
By the late 1800s, nearly 50 years of progress afforded women advancement in property rights, employment and educational opportunities, divorce and child custody laws, and increased social freedoms.
The early 1900s saw a successful push for the vote through a coalition of suffragists, temperance groups, reform-minded politicians, and women's social-welfare organizations.
Although Susan B. Anthony and Elizabeth Cady Stanton devoted 50 years to the woman's suffrage movement, neither lived to see women gain the right to vote. But their work and that of many other suffragists contributed to the ultimate passage of the 19th amendment in 1920.

[Evie]

And I do believe also that the man is the head of the household, and he should probably be the main breadwinner.

Is that what they teach you in bible school?:rolleyes:

[gsgutz]

Is that what they teach you in bible school?:rolleyes:
I dont know what makes you think that I went to bible school, if my saying that I believe in God and that in my household, my husband is the head of the household and that I have given him that rightful place than I guess my going to church and applying the principles of the bible in my life makes me a bible school graduate, Thanks :D I'm not holier than thou either, dont misconstrue my points of view.

[catlady]

While I respect your views. I believe that a marriage is a partnership and as such both husband and wife should be the head of the house, sharing the decision making and even the economic weight of it. I don't think it is important who is the main breadwinner. I think love and respect for each other are the basis. As for my other views on different things, well, I think that will keep for another day.

[RUBY]

While I respect your views. I believe that a marriage is a partnership and as such both husband and wife should be the head of the house, sharing the decision making and even the economic weight of it. I don't think it is important who is the main breadwinner. I think love and respect for each other are the basis. As for my other views on different things, well, I think that will keep for another day.


Your views are respected also, but WE the 'wise' (according to scripture)try to the best of our abilities to follow the marriage and family blueprint that GOD has given us in his WORD

Ephesians 5:17-33

17Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.

18And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;

20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;

21 Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.

23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.


24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.

29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:

30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.

And thats what I AM taught at Bible School, and PROUD OF IT!!:cool:

[zunzune]

John Currier wrote:

The "be subject" is not in the Greek; that thought is carried from the verse before telling how all members are to act toward each other. The "as," is translated from the Greek hoos, and could be translated "after the Lord" because this exact same word is translated "after" in Acts 16:10, "And after (hoos)..."
A Christian woman is subject first to the Lord and after that, subject to her husband. It does not mean that a husband's influence and wishes have equal authority with Christ's commands, for that would be blasphemy! No man is equal with Jesus Christ.
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself {being} the Savior of the body.
Paul presents the idea of being connected-- as a married couple you are one being just as a head is connected to a body as Paul makes clear in verse 31.
24 But as the church is subject to Christ, so also the wives {ought to be} to their husbands in everything.
There is definitely the idea of a husband's leadership here, but godly leadership-- NOT supreme authority and crushing domination--loving as Christ's own love. Back in Eph. 5:21 at the start of this passage we were told that every church member is to "be subject to one another", so we know that being "subject to " does not give permission for oppressive behavior.
25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her;
26 that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word,
27 that He might present to Himself the church in all her glory, having no spot or wrinkle or any such thing; but that she should be holy and blameless.
28 So husbands ought also to love their own wives as their own bodies. He who loves his own wife loves himself;
Clearly, Paul's instruction to husbands is kind love and the idea of being one body, not to dominate harshly, bark orders, and view wives as lesser mortals.
29 for no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ also {does} the church,
30 because we are members of His body.
31 For this cause a man shall leave his father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife; and the two shall become one flesh.
32 This mystery is great; but I am speaking with reference to Christ and the church.
33 Nevertheless let each individual among you also love his own wife even as himself; and {let} the wife {see to it} that she respect her husband. (NAS)
Supreme Commanders
Some take this passage and make husbands into Supreme Commanders who stand on their wives to make themselves look taller. Does Christ treat the church that way? Remember that no man should elevate himself to the level of Christ and think he comes between his wife and Christ! A woman is always responsible directly to Jesus Christ first and to any human being second.
Notice in the case of Ananias and Sapphira in Acts 5 that God held the woman equally responsible for the lies they told. If the man was the "Supreme Commander" of the home and the woman MUST obey the husband, even when what he commands is evil-- if all this were true, then Sapphira would have gone free. God would have said, "Sapphira has no responsibility in this matter. She had to do what her husband said." Instead Sapphira had responsibility before God because He expected her to obey His Commandment not to bear false witness. Instead she obeyed her husband Ananias, and died because of her choice to put her husband's words as if they were equal to the words of Christ!
Conclusion
A husband's instructions are never to be put "as" or equal to the Lord's instructions. They are to be followed "after" the Lord. Like a woman respects God she is to respect her godly husband in a similar way-- but not equal to God! If a woman puts her husband equal to God she makes her husband her God! No man, even a very good man, can be given equal status with God or Jesus Christ.
Jesus said, "And the two shall become one flesh; consequently they are no longer two, but one flesh." Mark 10:8. A husband and wife are one union, one flesh, and one body. A wife should cooperate with a godly husband's leadership and "be subject" to him after the Lord. A woman is not to be subject to all men, just to her own husband. She must never obey her husband when he would lead her to disobey God.

[gsgutz]

I said I wasnt going to post here anymore, but I've got to say this, you are absolutely right that a husband should never be put un a pedestal above all things including God. I have personally (not in my marriage but in my family) seen what can happen when a woman idolizes her husband and puts him above all things, or when you idolize anyone else in your family and "try" to put them on the same level as God, the results are devastating when God reminds you that he is above all else or anything else. It seems like your little world crumbles. And I'll leave it at that before I get another sarcastic, unnecessary rude remark.

[catlady]

And I'll leave it at that before I get another sarcastic, unnecessary rude remark.
So who was sarcastic and rude to you. gsgutz?
Zunzune, you truly blow me away! You not only have a deep knowledge of scripture but also of greek and different biblical interpretations. Wow!
Ruby, glad you think you are the wise if that works for you.

[zunzune]

So who was sarcastic and rude to you. gsgutz?
Zunzune, you truly blow me away! You not only have a deep knowledge of scripture but also of greek and different biblical interpretations. Wow!
Ruby, glad you think you are the wise if that works for you.

Catlady, I cannot take credit for the entire post. I will edit it to include my source. I will say that some of the material is mine, but not all.
In regard to sarcasm and rudeness, we've all been victims at one time or other. It's best that victims and/or perpetrators be left unknown.

[kurtmasur]

John Currier wrote:
A woman is not to be subject to all men, just to her own husband. She must never obey her husband when he would lead her to disobey God.
Hey that was an awesome post, Zunzune!

Yes, this is what I thought the Bible really referred to regarding what Ruby was trying to say about "a woman being subject to a man"... that this is in the context of marriage and not in life in general. A wife is subject to her husband, but never to other men.

So going back to Hillary, she is subject to her husband, Bill Clinton, and is directly responsible to God, as the rest of us are. If someone will not vote for her, it should be because of disagreement with her political ideas.

Once again, great post ;-)

[catlady]

Catlady, I cannot take credit for the entire post. I will edit it to include my source. I will say that some of the material is mine, but not all.
In regard to sarcasm and rudeness, we've all been victims at one time or other. It's best that victims and/or perpetrators be left unknown.
You're right. Hate the sin but love the sinner.

[RUBY]

ur entirely right zunezune.. and I would NEVER put my husband before my Saviour.. We are yet in this body and will continue to be sinful creatures. People will fail us. But, God the Father can NEVER go wrong with what he does.
2 Chronicles 20:15b
.... Thus saith the LORD unto you, Be not afraid nor dismayed by reason of this great multitude; for the battle is not yours, but God's.

Proverbs 1:7
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

[zunzune]

Hey that was an awesome post, Zunzune!

Yes, this is what I thought the Bible really referred to regarding what Ruby was trying to say about "a woman being subject to a man"... that this is in the context of marriage and not in life in general. A wife is subject to her husband, but never to other men.

So going back to Hillary, she is subject to her husband, Bill Clinton, and is directly responsible to God, as the rest of us are. If someone will not vote for her, it should be because of disagreement with her political ideas.

Once again, great post ;-)

Thank you, Maestro.

[zunzune]

Religion can be an incendiary topic. Every one of our forum members has good points and very unique points as well. Proof that we are intelligent, conscious of what is happening around us and that we want a better world for us and those we love. If we are to discuss religion in ANY aspect, please remember to keep the fires to a bare minimum and to RESPECT the beliefs (or NON) of all of our forum members.

[catlady]

Got it! No prob!

[zunzune]

Thank you very much!

[Evie]

So who was sarcastic and rude to you. gsgutz?


"Raises hand!" This would probably be me. Sorry gutz but I couldn't help myself with that comment you made. :D

[Evie]

Your views are respected also, but WE the 'wise' (according to scripture)try to the best of our abilities to follow the marriage and family blueprint that GOD has given us in his WORD

Ephesians 5:17-33

17Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.

18And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;

20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;

21 Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.

23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.


24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.

29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:

30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.

And thats what I AM taught at Bible School, and PROUD OF IT!!:cool:

34. Let thou not forget where they came from nor where they have been!

And that's what Life has taught me!:rolleyes:

[zunzune]

Well said Evie!

[mena]

Correct me if I am wrong but, aren't all wars started because of religion beliefs?

[zunzune]

99.4444444444% of them.

[catlady]

Wars are also started in a great many cases because of warring economies. For example WWI was a war to expand markets.

[catlady]

I was wondering, if a woman cannot be above a man, I imagine that that means a woman should not lead a man or men. Right? Well, where does that leave Joan of Arc who led the French army?

[Evie]

Joan of Arc never attended The Lighthouse or Roca Firme!:D

[zunzune]

Ah, but Joan of Arc was considered a heretic, albeit a great one! And no Evie, she did not attend Roca Firme...;) Again, men and women have their place in history....as women we make a difference and historically have ended up being punished for it but we persevere. We can start this fire again but in the spirit of getting along, maybe we should move on to bigger and better things, right?

[catlady]

Going back to the original subject, it seems that Obama is doing better in the polls and I guess that Oprah's support will be helpful. But I've read that he doesn't have a lot of political experience. When is the Democratic Convention going to be held because i think this will be interesting.

[Evie]

A teacher in Elmira , New York asked her 6th grade class how many of them were Obama fans.
Not really knowing what an Obama fan is, but wanting to be liked by the teacher, all the kids raised their hands except for Little Johnny.
The teacher asked Little Johnny why he has decided to be different...again.
Little Johnny said, 'Because I'm not an Obama fan.
The teacher asked, 'Why aren't you an Obama fan?'
Johnny said, 'Because I'm a Republican.'
The teacher asked him why he was a Republican.
Little Johnny answered, 'Well, my Mom's a Republican and my Dad's a Republican, so I'm a Republican.'
Annoyed by this answer, the teacher asked, 'If your mom was a moron and your dad was an idiot, what would that make you?'With a big smile, Little Johnny replied, 'That would make me an Obama fan.'

[energy]

He's a Black Balding Guy, no wonder all the women like him.

[zunzune]

He's a Black Balding Guy, no wonder all the women like him.

He's one of those that is NOT on my list. His face is too long and his head is not round enough.

[Evie]

Yea too skinny for my tastes!

[zunzune]

In answer to the thread's question, Obama is now the president elect of the United States of America. For better or worse, for poorer or for flat out destitute, he was the choice of many Americans. The big question is "what do we do now?"

[Irenera]

In answer to the thread's question, Obama is now the president elect of the United States of America. For better or worse, for poorer or for flat out destitute, he was the choice of many Americans. The big question is "what do we do now?"

Pray that he does well, and for those in here that got mad at each other for difference of option shake hands and move on. Belive it or not, not everything is on one person hands.

[zunzune]

Pray that he does well, and for those in here that got mad at each other for difference of option shake hands and move on. Belive it or not, not everything is on one person hands.
Gotta agree with you there, it's NOT all in one person's hands, it's in all of ours.

[mena]

Life goes on.

[zunzune]

....and on and on and on.....

[mena]

......you got it, girlfriend.:D

[da_jackal]

Barak Obama can be a lot of things, you can also say we don't know very much about him, but take George Bush for instance, a cowboy from Texas that we knew very well with his dads history, came out and crapped on the nation and did plenty of damage being a nice Christian :p. I think all this talk about "I know this guy is good" is all we heard when Bush was running for the presidency. A lot of these people have nothing good to say anymore about their favorite president. I think its time for something different. And i am sorry but Republicans had two terms to get something done with this economy, why all of a sudden Bush is coming out of office we are now talking about fuel efficient cars. I think plenty of money has been spent and plenty of people have bled for Mr Dumas Bush. Sit back and enjoy the ride folks. things can only get better before they any worse. Don't worry about Barak F#@#$%!% the country, Bush already did it, took the picture and got the T-Shirt to prove it!.

[catlady]

Da Jakal, that pretty much summed it up!

[kurtmasur]

Don't worry about Barak F#@#$%!% the country, Bush already did it, took the picture and got the T-Shirt to prove.
Nice quote and well said.

[mena]

B.Obama just got elected and he already lowered the gas prices. WOW!:D ;)

[pesqueso]

I was suprised to read this thread. Someone please correct me....but did Maverick county vote against Obama.....and did they vote for Bush twice in a row? Duh..

[panchozoy]

I was suprised to read this thread. Someone please correct me....but did Maverick county vote against Obama.....and did they vote for Bush twice in a row? Duh..

Obama is The Man now!

So far it appears things are going alright. Think of the other presidents and how it was. Don't even go far....Mr. Bush, the youngster, had a difficult time which made is his job tougher.

Obama is alright. Maverick County voted for him. If you look at the way Texas Counties, it was Obama all along the Border and the next counties after that. He baredly made it in San Antonio. He barely won the Houston and FTW/Dallas areas but he won them.

Then you go to the Hill country, the Eastern counties and the Northern counties all the way up to the panhandle....oh boy....did he lose.....

Kinda gives and Idea of where the people of TEXAS are still at. If you know what I mean. Obama Lost TEXAS.

Watch your back!!