Vote For Bush

[spursfan12]

VOTE FOR GEORGE W. BUSH THIS YEAR!

REPUBLICANS #1 BABY!!!!!

[kurtmasur]

What about SKULL AND BONES???!!!!


Both Bush and Kerry are members of Skull and Bones, an elite secret society at Yale University. To sum it in one sentence, Skull and bones is a satanic organization and functions in the same way as a typical mafia. They strive to give its members powerful high-level positions in government and in corporations. Even the mainstream media has made some mention of this, but it has been very limited.


Anyways, if you've never heard of Skull and Bones, you can learn about it directly from CBS News: (That's right, from the mainstream media!)
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/10/02/...ain576332.shtml


In any case, Kerry is also pro-war and would continue Bush's mess in Iraq. Although for the most part it's a lose-lose situation, Kerry is definitely the lesser of the two evils, but nevertheless still an evil.


Regardless of who wins, the government would continue to use "terror" tactics to scare the hell out of us so that we can let them manipulate us (e.g. Patriot Act)

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com

[nyc]

Bush is a draft dodging coward (not an ad-hominum attack...the National Guard in 1968 was a place where people went to avoid battle; the National Guard today is on the front line).

I have defended George Bush's integrity for many years but his behavior today in attacking a decorated veteran is utterly contemptable.

Here is a RICH GUY who did everything he could to avoid going to Vietnam attacking another RICH GUY who volunteered to go to Vietnam. A guy who was so indecisive when we were attacked in New York that he sat for SEVEN minutes before getting up to do something.

If my country is under attack I expect my President to at least get up and seek more information. Instead he gets soldiers who weren't even on the boat with John Kerry to attack him. He attacked John McCain (a decorated POW) too. These people even attacked Max Cleland who lost both his legs in Vietnam. One Republican said it his own fault for getting blown up. Republicans do not respect the military, they use it for political purposes.

Do not trust a coward to defend our country in a time of war. Americans are decent, smart people and will see through the garbage. The Bush people know this and are running scared. Voters will see the difference between a real soldier and George Bush. Talk is cheap.

I go back to New York in a couple of weeks. I am proud to go about my business riding the subways and living my life in defiance of these terrorists bastards. New Yorkers go about our business knowing that being in the wrong place at the wrong time is dangerous. It's also obvious to most New Yorkers that George Bush may act strong but he's lacks the depth to manage a war. We need a proven leader not a talker.

[kurtmasur]

Originally posted by nyc@Aug 5 2004, 06:16 PM
Here is a RICH GUY who did everything he could to avoid going to Vietnam attacking another RICH GUY who volunteered to go to Vietnam. A guy who was so indecisive when we were attacked in New York that he sat for SEVEN minutes before getting up to do something.

If my country is under attack I expect my President to at least get up and seek more information. Instead he gets soldiers who weren't even on the boat with John Kerry to attack him. He attacked John McCain (a decorated POW) too. These people even attacked Max Cleland who lost both his legs in Vietnam. One Republican said it his own fault for getting blown up. Republicans do not respect the military, they use it for political purposes.



NYC, you hit it right on with your message. That's right, Bush, under the control of Israel and Skull & Bones have used our military for political purposes in Iraq.
They have learned to exploit to the use of terror just to control us--just like in a communist country.
Isn't it funny how each time Kerry gains in the polls, there is a terror alert? The Democratic National Convention had just passed last week, and NYC and DC got terror alerts, issued by the Bush Administration.


And yes, doing nothing for SEVEN long minutes in that classroom gives us many things to consider.
For example, when Bush was in that Florida classroom, it was the Secert Service's job to literally grab him and pull him out of there. I remember there was talk in the media during 9/11 that Bush himself could have been a target (his visit to the elementary school had been announced days in advance on ABC and in the Sarasota Herald Tribune, a local Florida newspaper). But the Secret Service didn't do anything to get our President out of there! These are the same guys that will get really pissed off if you go stand outside the White House and start blowing harmless Black Cat firecrackers! Because the Secret Service didn't act (nor did Bush), it means that the 9/11 "attacks" were staged by Bush himself, in collaberation with Israel! Just look at that video clip, and you will see how Bush doesn't even look remotely surprised when Card whispers in his ear about the second airplane (Bush had learned about the first airplane on the way to the school). Rather, he looks like he was just delivered a mere progress report on the big plan.

It's just like when Sherlock Holmes solved the crime in "Silver Blaze" deducing that it is the owner of the house who is the criminal. How does he know? Because the dog did not bark. The only criminal who could could carry out the crime and not arouse the dog was a criminal the dog already knew as a friend, the dog's owner. So the dog did not bark!

Well, it's the same with 9/11. The Secret Service did not act to protect our President! The dog did not bark! The criminal Bush himself staged the 9/11 attacks! The dog did not bark!

People, it's time to wake up. The Arabs are NOT the terrorists. They have only been framed by the Bush Administration with the help of the mainstream media. The real terrorists are the ones currently occupying the White House and Ariel Sharon of Israel! :angry: :angry: :angry:

[nyc]

Just for the record, I do not buy the Bush-Israeli conspiracy theory. I deeply sympathize with the Palestinians (and development of a sovereign Palestinian homeland) but I also believe in supporting Israel.

I don't believe Bush is that demented. He's not that clever.

[kurtmasur]

Originally posted by nyc@Aug 6 2004, 03:48 PM
Just for the record, I do not buy the Bush-Israeli conspiracy theory. I deeply sympathize with the Palestinians (and development of a sovereign Palestinian homeland) but I also believe in supporting Israel.

I don't believe Bush is that demented. He's not that clever.
NYC, why is it difficult to believe the Israeli-Bush conspiracy? Is it because the mainstream media won't tell us about it? Don't worry, they never will. They will never uncover any Bush lies, because the rich billionaire guys that own the major news networks enjoy Bush protection through the tax-cuts for the rich. It's called conflict of interest--politics, really.

In any case, I would like to bring to your attention something really interesting about Israel. With OUR taxes, we provide Israel with monetary aid, and the Israeli government uses that money to fund three Israeli telecom companies: (1) Amdocs, (2)Comverse Infosys, and (3) Odigo.


Amdocs provides provides billing and directory assistance for 90% of the phone companies in the USA. Amdocs' main computer center for billing is actually in Israel and allows those with access to do what intelligence agencies call "traffic analysis"; a picture of someone's activities based on a pattern of who they are calling and when. Basically, it doesn't really matter if your phone company is MCI, Sprint, Verizon, SBC, etc., because chances are that they all hire Amdocs to do the telephone billing for them---from Israel.



The second Israeli company is Comverse Infosys, which subcontracts the installation of the automatic tapping equipment now built into every phone system in America. Comverse maintains its own connections to all this phone tapping equipment, insisting that it is for maintenance purposes only. However, Converse has been named as the most likely source for leaked information regarding telephone calls by U.S. law enforcement that derailed several investigations into not only espionage, but drug running as well.


The third Israeli company, Odigo, provides the core message passing system for all the "Instant Message" services. By the way, two hours before the attacks on the World Trade Towers, Odigo employees received a warning. Odigo has an office 2 blocks from the former location of the World Trade Towers.


The implication of these facts is that the billions of our tax dollars sent to Israel (while women and children sleep in America's alleys and eat out of trash bins) have bought and paid for a monstrous phone tracking and phone tapping system that can eavesdrop on almost any phone call in America. Even the White House phones were open to such tapping by listening in on the other end outside the White House itself.


This actually happened. The Ken Starr report on Whitewater describes how Bill Clinton informed Monica Lewinsky that their phone sex conversations had been recorded. At the same time, Clinton ordered the FBI to CEASE the hunt for an Israeli mole known to be operating inside the White House itself! I smell blackmail on our government from the Israeli government.



Anyways, how do I know about Amdocs, Comverse Infosys and Odigo? Well Fox News actually did a 3-part news report on them over a 3-day series. Like all of their news reports, they had put it on their website. However, it didn't last more than a few days online, while their other news reports/clips are archived for months and years. It was mysteriously yanked from their webpage, just like that. Guess who could have pressured them to do that? Our government of course, with the Israeli government on their case.


Thankfully, somebody managed to cache the Fox News article in question onto their website along with the video clip of the news report. You can access it here directly from these links:


Video Clip of Fox News report:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/israelis...ispiespart3.ram (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/israelispiespart3.ram)

Fox News Report, Day 1:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/Israeli-...ying-Part-1.htm (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/Israeli-Spying-Part-1.htm)

Fox News Report, Day 2:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/Israeli-...ying-Part-2.htm (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/Israeli-Spying-Part-2.htm)

Fox News Report, Day3:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/Israeli-...ying-Part-3.htm (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/Israeli-Spying-Part-3.htm)


My fellow Eagle Passans, I urge you to take the time to go through the Fox News material on these links. You be the judge of Israel's role inside America.

[kurtmasur]

There is even a Day 4 to the Fox News Report in my previous post.

Fox News Day 4 report:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/Israeli-...ying-Part-4.htm (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/Israeli-Spying-Part-4.htm)

Fox News Day 4 video clip:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/israelis...ispiespart4.ram (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/israelispiespart4.ram)

-- or --

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/israeli.wmv

[Eagletx21]

Originally posted by spursfan12@Aug 4 2004, 07:46 PM
VOTE FOR GEORGE W. BUSH THIS YEAR!

REPUBLICANS #1 BABY!!!!!
If anyone here is a Male Between the Ages of 18-25. This Year when you go out and vote in November vote as if your life depended on it. According to the Democrats Bush can have the Draft up and running by the year 2005.

And if there is a draft guess where we will all end up going to Iraq.

Vote Kerry!

Any of you all have your John Kerry Bumper Stickers yet? I have about 50 of them and have been passing them out to local supporters in my area. Anyone interested can PM and I will be glad to send you one through mail for free. Just hope I still have some they are going fast.

Even if you don't like putting stickers on your car or truck or SUV you can always just stick it on your Desk or Window or where ever you will like.

[kurtmasur]

It is clear to me that the "terror" alert between now and the elections is a bunch of bull by the President. He is using "terror" to scare the hell out of us so that we can think he is the only guy who can handle the so-called "war on terror".


Now then, who would BENEFIT from an Al Qaeda atack just before the elections? The global press is already aware that the constant threat of a terror attack is helping (indeed may be the main campaign issue of) Bush's election campaign.


It therefore follows that an actual attack would also help Bush's re-election.


So, why would real Arabs want to help Bush? (assuming that real Arabs are behind our terror "attacks"). Just about all of the rest-of-the-world is against Bush as president, including the Arab world. If some Arabs came and did a real terrorist attack on our nation it would cause two possible scenarios: <A> the elections would be canceled and thus continue with Bush as President, or [B] the elections would go on as scheduled, but it would make more people vote for Bush since the majority regard him as the best candidate to deal with "terror" (according to the polls).
Regardless of which of these two outcomes results, Bush would continue as President!

It's a lose-lose situation for Arabs to attack us before the elections. But it's a win-win situtation for Bush if there were a "terrorist" attack before the elections!



Isn't the smart thing to do nothing and watch Bush self-destruct between now and November from the Arabs' point of view? Just keep this in mind when the Bush Administration begins talking about finding a van with a Koran near the place of the upcoming "attacks". People please wake up: Any "attack" that happens will be the direct result of the Bush Administration, with Arabs being framed by Bush.


So I wonder what sort of "terrorist" attacks Bush is planning on our nation just to help him get re-elected. Since Bush conducts a highly secretive presidency, who knows what they talk about amongst themselves there in the White House. By the way, I was in DC not too long ago and I passed in front of the White House. It is absoluetly off-limits to the general public. It has 10-11 rooms open to the public, and you can only go to those rooms by appointment only after you gain written permission from your US Senators or Representative--a rule the vast majority of tourists aren't aware of. So practically NOBODY is allowed to visit.



I've said it before on my other posts, and I say it again now: the only real terrorists are Bush and Ariel Sharon of Israel!

[mena]

Whether the alert is set to the highest it doesn't stop anyone from voting. The question is who do we trust to be in office? The only lose-lose situation is not going out to vote for who you think is the best person for office.

[kurtmasur]

Originally posted by mena@Aug 9 2004, 07:00 PM
Whether the alert is set to the highest it doesn't stop anyone from voting. The question is who do we trust to be in office? The only lose-lose situation is not going out to vote for who you think is the best person for office.
Well that's exactly what I fear, that if the "terror" alert is set on red, or if there's an attack in the days up to the election, that the Bush Administration then decides to cancel the elections, so that we wouldn't have any choice for president in the first place. Just like in a socialist government.


I'm not kidding. It's already been announced in the media, that the Bush Administration is already finding a way to cancel the elections in case of an "attack". I firmly believe that the elections should go on no matter what. If an attack were to happen in Anytown, USA, why would it be necessary to cancel elections for the ENTIRE country, in the more than 5000 cities across the nation? If an attack were to happen in NYC, then perhaps the elections in NYC should be canceled, but let the Eagle Pass voting booths remain open!


Take the 3/11 Madrid train bombings in which over 200 people were killed, for example. Those attacks happened just three days before their election day. On election day, all of Spain's voting booths, including those in Madrid, opened for elections anyways. And their voting turnout was even greater than expected!


Attacks or no attacks, we should not let the Bush administration manipulate us with "terror", and we should have our elections as planned--period!


On a side note, I bet that if "attacks" on or close to Election Day do happen, they would occur in a Democratic stronghold city like NYC or DC to either discourage those people from voting, or so that they may vote for Bush instead, the candidate most people, including Democrats, regard as "best" prepared to deal with "terror". Remember, only Bush would BENEFIT from a "terrorist attack"! If an "attack" were to happen, it would mean four more years of Bush! Please keep this in mind in case an "attack" does happen! :angry: :angry: :angry:

[mena]

I don't think the elections would be cancelled. I also don't think that the President would want an attack in his own country whether election time or not.

We can't just blame everything on President Bush. The previous administration dropped the ball too except the media thought it was more interesting to hear about Monica and her blue dress.


So all I got to say is GO OUT and VOTE!

[kurtmasur]

Originally posted by mena@Aug 10 2004, 08:47 AM
I don't think the elections would be cancelled. I also don't think that the President would want an attack in his own country whether election time or not.

We can't just blame everything on President Bush. The previous administration dropped the ball too except the media thought it was more interesting to hear about Monica and her blue dress.


So all I got to say is GO OUT and VOTE!
Yes, this President is VERY capable of attacking his own country for political interests, and he has done it before. Bush and his crew planned 9/11 themselves.


You want to know the reason why? Bush is part of SKULL & BONES! They are an elite secret society based in Yale University. Their agenda involves an ambitious plan towards someday establishing a "New World Order", basically a one-world government. (Whether that will happen in 50 or 100 years from now, who knows.) The members in SKULL & BONES are also referred to as neo-conservatives, or simply "neo-cons". In September 2000, the neo-cons developed a strategy of their own that Bush would use in his presidency. It basically says that the US should "fight and decisively win multiple, simultaneous major theater wars"(we're already fighting two consecutive wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, whose regimes have already been changed) only to show off to the world the mighty dominance of the USA as the world's lone super-power. North Korea, Libya, Syria and Iran are spotlighted as dangerous regimes and, according to the blueprint; their existence justifies the creation of a "worldwide command-and-control system" (these four countries were later refered to by Bush as the "Axis of Evil"). It also calls for establishing some sort of national security agency, which Bush has in fact established, the "National Homeland Security". Anyways, the neo-con agenda is titled "Rebuilding Amerca's Defenses". You can access it here in pdf file:

http://www.newamericancentury.org/Rebuildi...casDefenses.pdf (http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf)


I urge Mena and all of my fellow Eagle Passans to read it. You'll be suprised how much the Bush Administration has followed this agenda. Just compare its proposals with the actual outcomes. And remember, this agenda was published in September 2000, one year BEFORE 9/11, the beginning of the "terror" era.


For the record, Mena, I do not want to blame everything on President Bush. I want to lay some of that blame to the people around him, to those that ACTUALLY run this country, and to SKULL & BONES. In a way, Bush is a simple puppet whose strings are controlled by the latter group of people reffered to in my last sentence.

[mena]

I will agree to disagree.

[kurtmasur]

In case you didn't notice, two MAINSTREAM news media, the Washington Post and the New York Times, have admitted that their "Iraq coverage has been flawed"! Which makes my point clear from my previous posts, that the mainstream media are NOT trustworthy. I place more trust on major media outlets from FOREIGN countries than from our own country. Major foreign newspapers like London's "The Guardian", Spain's "El Pais" and many others often report relevant news stories about us and the Iraq war that we will seldom hear in our own newspapers. And if we do learn those stories from our own media it is often a few days AFTER I have already read it from these foreign newspapers. Very sad, indeed.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...iraq_coverage_5 (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&e=3&u=/ap/20040812/ap_on_re_us/post_iraq_coverage_5)



On a side note, we will have our elections monitored by an international body comprising of more than 60 countries. Yeeesss! Heaven forbid we get another Florida. Let EVERY vote count this time!!! B) :P :P

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...916221092230054 (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=655&ncid=655&e=3&u=/oneworld/20040811/wl_oneworld/4536916221092230054)

[KING]

ahaha kerry old former troops say the truth about kerry in the war of vietnam..

http://humaneventsonline.com.edgesuite.net..._video_wmv.html (http://humaneventsonline.com.edgesuite.net/unfit_video_wmv.html)

[kurtmasur]

The webpage in the following link explains a lot of what I've been trying to say. Enjoy!

http://www.downloads.thebluething.com/Flas.../bush-x-ray.swf (http://www.downloads.thebluething.com/Flash_files/othermovies/bush-x-ray.swf)

[elek_trik]

kurtmasur, while I am sort of on your side, don't believe everything you read, even if it is from alternative media sources. Just because its alternative doesn't mean its anymore right or wrong than the mainstream. Don't think I'm bashing you or anything, but you sometimes come off as a left-wing nutjob because of it, buying into all these conspiracy theories and such. Just learn as much as you can, and decide for yourself.

Now ladies and gentlemen of the jury, if you want some cold hard reasons as to not to vote for bush, instead of all this mumbo jumbo, and ad-hominem crap, I have a very interesting and humorous site for you.

I found this pretty interesting anti-bush game on the net, and I thought I'd share it with you. I suggest only going there if you have a lot of spare time, because it is a bit lengthy. The obnoxious humor might turn you off, but there's certain parts in the game where it presents you with some educational information on the bush administration, mostly centering around his tax-cuts. If you don't feel like playing the game(as I'm sure most of you don't), there's a small drop box underneath the interface that lets you see the informational segments only.

EDIT = almost forgot, you need a flash plugin to view or play the game. And at least view the intro, it's pretty funny :).

http://www.cs.utsa.edu/~grobert/bgbanner.gif (http://www.bushgame.com/)

[kurtmasur]

Originally posted by elek_trik@Aug 21 2004, 03:04 PM
kurtmasur, while I am sort of on your side, don't believe everything you read, even if it is from alternative media sources. Just because its alternative doesn't mean its anymore right or wrong than the mainstream. Don't think I'm bashing you or anything, but you sometimes come off as a left-wing nutjob because of it, buying into all these conspiracy theories and such. Just learn as much as you can, and decide for yourself.

Elek Trik, I know what you mean. We must treat ALL news with caution, regardless of the sources. I would like to make several things clear.


1) I do not believe a news story from alternative news media just because it is from alternative news media. I usually believe the contents of those news reports that provide evidence or that cite you the place where you can corroborate the facts. I am a detective type person that likes to make sure that what I'm reading is based on facts. For example, I like to read the news editorials by the author of http://www.whatreallyhappened.com because he does an EXCELLENT job of citing where he gets his information. If you have read through his own editorials in the Index section of his website , you should know what I'm talking about.



2) I am not the type that buys into conspiracy theories. That JFK was assassinated by the Castro regime, or that we staged the whole moon landing in some studio, I just don't buy theories like this.

9/11 was different. There are a lot of fishy things in the official 9/11 story as told by the government/mainstream media. For starters, ask yourself why the towers, which were designed to withstand earthquakes, had to fall from the impact of the aircraft? Isn't it funny how the towers fell straight down, similar to a controlled implosion? How come the aircrafts' black boxes were "destroyed"? They ALWAYS survive plane crashes, even after exposure to an aircraft's explosion. That's the way they were designed. But not so in 9/11. How funny. And there's many more questions to the official 9/11 story.



3) This may make you laugh, but I am NOT at all a radical liberal (or left-wing nut jab). I am a practicing Catholic, I believe in the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church, including its views on contraception, I have enormous respect for Pope John Paul II, I am pro-life, I believe in marriage between a man and a woman. However, I am NOT Republican, nor will I ever be.

[lightwav]

Originally posted by nyc@Aug 5 2004, 06:16 PM
Bush is a draft dodging coward (not an ad-hominum attack...the National Guard in 1968 was a place where people went to avoid battle; the National Guard today is on the front line).

I have defended George Bush's integrity for many years but his behavior today in attacking a decorated veteran is utterly contemptable.

Here is a RICH GUY who did everything he could to avoid going to Vietnam attacking another RICH GUY who volunteered to go to Vietnam. A guy who was so indecisive when we were attacked in New York that he sat for SEVEN minutes before getting up to do something.

If my country is under attack I expect my President to at least get up and seek more information. Instead he gets soldiers who weren't even on the boat with John Kerry to attack him. He attacked John McCain (a decorated POW) too. These people even attacked Max Cleland who lost both his legs in Vietnam. One Republican said it his own fault for getting blown up. Republicans do not respect the military, they use it for political purposes.

Do not trust a coward to defend our country in a time of war. Americans are decent, smart people and will see through the garbage. The Bush people know this and are running scared. Voters will see the difference between a real soldier and George Bush. Talk is cheap.

I go back to New York in a couple of weeks. I am proud to go about my business riding the subways and living my life in defiance of these terrorists bastards. New Yorkers go about our business knowing that being in the wrong place at the wrong time is dangerous. It's also obvious to most New Yorkers that George Bush may act strong but he's lacks the depth to manage a war. We need a proven leader not a talker.
A draft dodging coward? Funny how the democrats did not want to hear this about Clinton all along. Interesting how the tables turn..

As for your emphasis on "RICH GUY"..

What exactly do you think Kerry, his wife and running mate are?

[lightwav]

Besides, what's so evil and bad about being a rich guy..

I hope to be one some day, does that make me bad too? :unsure:

[kurtmasur]

Lightwav, I don't think that NYC meant to say that Bush was bad because he was rich. That Bush is rich isn't the point. Rather, Bush is "bad" because he comes from a POWERFUL (e.g. influential) , established family from the northeast. Really what mtters is the last name you carry. Of course, it also so happens that many of these powerful families also are rich.


So through the influence of the Bush's, Bush was able to get something through the National Guard, and thus not go to Vietnam.


And just to be fair, Lightwav, yes, I believe that Clinton made it a point to also dodged the draft. If you saw Clinton's speech during the Democratic National Convention, you would know that Clinton made it clear that he purposefully CHOSE to dodge the war. He admitted it.



But hey going back to being rich, I'd like to be rich someday too. If I won the lottery, would I have the same power as those families with a strong name? Probably not, unless I made it a point to lobby (i.e. $$$) in Capitol Hill and influence how my congressman and senators vote, hehe.

[lightwav]

Thing is, was it a bad thing for Bush to enter into the national guard?

I mean these days many of our troops over in Iraq are National Gaurd troops.

Somebody had to do go into the national guard.

I was not around during the draft but it's tough for me to judge those who were around and either dodged or didn't.

I would like to think that had I been around then and been presented with a draft notice that I would have gone and served my country. Since I was not there I can't say for sure what I would have done. I know that at different points in my life I was a different person. I certainly think I am a better person now than I was when I was younger. If I had been presented with a draft notice maybe I would have tried to get out of it?? Not sure, if I were presented one today I would go but then again I have grown a lot over the years and I am a different person now. It's also possible that if presented with the situation today Bush would have done something different, who knows. On the other side of the coin, I am not sure what any of this service stuff has to do with the ability for Bush or Kerry to lead our country.

I think the bashing on both sides should stop so we can move on to the real issues.

Kerry and yes Bush both served, Kerry served in a higher capacity and was in harms way which makes him a better man regarding that issue. However, the things he did when he came back home was not a good thing in my opinion.

[lightwav]

By the way, I am curious why you call yourself kurtmasur. Any clues for the forum?

[Rapunzel]

Somebody had to do go into the national guard.

Bush got to go to the front of the line because he came from an influential family. There were many young men who would have loved that position, but they had to go to war. Bush did not qualify for the position he got. Others more qualified were skipped over so Bush could get in.

Clinton was a draft dodger, but he did not get help from an influential family. He had to go about it the way poor folks did.

There is just something unsettling about someone using family name and wealth to avoid war.

And as someone else pointed out, Clinton doesn’t deny it.

But Bush's lack of service to his country is really a small issue compared to his big lie that got us into that horrible war in Iraq.

[lightwav]

Cheers Rapunzel! We could go on and on with this I am sure..

I am also sure that we both have valid points..

I just feel safer with Bush in office and you feel safer with Kerry in office.

The forum is for discussion and I am glad to participate in them especially topics as important as these.. So, don't take any of it personal.. It's just politics and at this point many people feel pretty strongly about things because they mean peoples lives. We as Americans are after the same thing, a safer America for our kids to grow up in.

[Rapunzel]

Thanks for the discussion, lightwav. :)

I hope more people will join in. As you have pointed out, this is an important issue. If we (all of us) can discuss it civilly and brainstorm without fear of insults and name-calling (except to call the politicians names), we might actually come up with some answers or change someone's views.

Vote for Kerry. (I'm a last word freak.) :lol:

[da_jackal]

Originally posted by nyc@Aug 6 2004, 03:48 PM
Just for the record, I do not buy the Bush-Israeli conspiracy theory. I deeply sympathize with the Palestinians (and development of a sovereign Palestinian homeland) but I also believe in supporting Israel.

I don't believe Bush is that demented. He's not that clever.
I totally agree with you, my point of view is that we should not back up Israel at all, they are taking advantage of Palestinians and all they do is broadcast how the mean Palestinians killed a soldier. What about all the women and children that are killed by the Israelis. And to think that the news is on the side of Israel just sickens me. I feel for all the inocent Palestinians thtat die everyday.

[da_jackal]

Months after the U.S. CIA informed the administration that Niger did not have Uranium, Bush falls for the claim that Britain put down saying Iraq had bought Uranium from Niger. Now that over a thousand soldiers die over there we see that there was no weapons of mass destruction. At this point I really don't care if he promisses to find Al Qaeda. He totally showed this nation he is not capable of running it effectively. Plus the majority of EP residents are not true rich conservative republicans, most need the help of liberal democrats to give us those school loans, food stamps for the needy, G.I bills, medicaid, medicare, etc...

[mena]

We don't need welfare, we need reform. I need tax breaks.

[da_jackal]

Well if you are rich and make over 200 thousand you could get a tax break with Bush. If you make less, Kerry will give you your tax break. And most people will not need welfare when he brings back jobs from the overseas. Other than that go pick up a gun and go to the middle east.

[mena]

Thanks for the advice. Although, Kerry has been against tax breaks. It's not whether people need welfare or not, is whether they choose to get it unless you are talking about gramps.

[da_jackal]

The only thing I don't like with Bush is that the rich are the ones getting all the benefit. He goes to war when all the big companies benefit from this. Companies like Haliburton love the war cus they get to go rebuild the mess we made over there, and the ones with interest in those companies are high officials in the military. When you give the rich more money all they do is invest it and make their own profits, When you the money to the lower and middle class, they spend it on things which benefits the companies and the rich eventually. The money has to be put in the bottom first and then it works its way up to the top. Not putting it in the hands of the rich who would do nothing for the middle or lower class. Things like taking businesses overseas is BS. We need jobs here. Why have Bush tell us about getting educated when jobs are going down.

[mena]

Maybe he wants us to stand on our own two feet instead of depending on the govt.?

I am leaving soon to go vote. Kerry has said nothing to impress me.

[da_jackal]

Well i rather stand on my two feet here in the U.S. where Kerry will bring the jobs. Bush Has work overseas at fifty cents the hour. Or you can also make good money going to the middle east. Where in the end the cash profit will be for the rich. But alot of people graduating from college have their two feet on the ground but not job. Shame on you Bush. Even Clinton that had secretaries on their knees did a better job of running this country than him.

[mena]

He will just change his mind at the last minute.

[mena]

Come on lets go vote. :)

[da_jackal]

Yep, lets all make our vote count. November 2nd!!!!!

[mena]

Early voting started already and I took advantage of it today. I even got a sticker. :D

[da_jackal]

Cool!

[Eagletx21]

Originally posted by da_jackal@Oct 19 2004, 01:53 PM
Well i rather stand on my two feet here in the U.S. where Kerry will bring the jobs. Bush Has work overseas at fifty cents the hour. Or you can also make good money going to the middle east. Where in the end the cash profit will be for the rich. But alot of people graduating from college have their two feet on the ground but not job. Shame on you Bush. Even Clinton that had secretaries on their knees did a better job of running this country than him.
Your Darn right da_jackel.

Bush on the other hand is giving Tax cuts to big companies that continue to send our jobs over seas. There are those Tech Jobs you want da_jackel now some guy from India is doing your future job. ;)

Vote for Bush and expect to see the same thing he has been doing for 4 yrs already. Bush is an unintelligent liar. He knows it, his administration knows it and so do many other American's that have finally woken up and realized how much damage George W. Bush has done to our country.

Here we have a Man as President that knew the economy was at it's worst after Sept 11, 01 and what does he do. He goes to war. How can anyone that is president in any country go to war and spend Billions more on a War that is not worth it when our Economy is still at it's worst with no sign of relief on its way? The job market is scarce even College Graduates are having a hard time finding work.

Yet Bush and his stupid laugh he has still continues to lie each and everyday about how he is doing the right thing's for America.

If only Clinton was still President. Then we wouldn't have to be going through all this mess.

Well, Nov 2, 2004 it's time for a change. I hope America thinks the same and Elects
John Kerry as our New President of the United States of America.

[mena]

:lol: :lol: :lol: The party has started. :lol:

[da_jackal]

Just what we need, more people with their eyes open. We need to wake up and realize we are not all rich and benefiting from Bush. We must get together and put the right man for the job. Vote Kerry baby.

[Eagletx21]

Originally posted by mena@Oct 19 2004, 07:37 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol: The party has started. :lol:
The Party has started but Bush Supporters are not Welcome. :lol: :P

[mena]

Incase you don't remember the economy was going down hill during the end of the Clinton era.

[mena]

:lol: Says who? Mr. Del Rio. :lol: :lol: Go back to your Del Rio Forum. :lol: :lol:

[Eagletx21]

Originally posted by mena@Oct 19 2004, 07:45 PM
:lol: Says who? Mr. Del Rio. :lol: :lol: Go back to your Del Rio Forum. :lol: :lol:

Who are you to tell me what I can and can not do? It's a free country lady. Oh I forgot you are thinking like the Bush Administration and want to get rid of all the Freedom of Speech Speakers. For control freaks like you can have it your way. :o

I am here to stay like it or not Mena so you might as well get used to it. Eagle Pass Forum Fanatic living in Dallas. :lol:

[da_jackal]

Well the first two terms were good for Clinton, at the end of his second term he knew he would not get elected again. Bush had four years to show us how to run this country and all he did was spend billions on the war which i say again only benefits the rich. And his tax cuts are only for the rich. If you are a rich man that makes more than 200 thousand a year you should be voting for Bush, If not just lay back and let the Democrats come back and give it to the rest which is the middle and lower class.

[mena]

Originally posted by Eagletx21+Oct 19 2004, 07:41 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Eagletx21 @ Oct 19 2004, 07:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-mena@Oct 19 2004, 07:37 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol: The party has started. :lol:
The Party has started but Bush Supporters are not Welcome. :lol: :P [/b][/quote]
Who is telling who what to do? Free country, that's right. I can do what I please and say what I please.

[mena]

:lol: :lol: Everyone cares for you in this forum "Mr. Del Rio". Atleast we all have a reason to participate in this forum. Oh yeah, you too cause Del Rio is great! Oh and when you go to the chat room enjoy yourself.


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[Eagletx21]

That's right Mena keep saying that to yourself. I forgot you are a know it all and know everything about me. ;)

No Del Rio does Not Suck you are great!

I don't know where you got this idea about me hiding behind another person's screen name. I guess it was one of your voices in your head telling you all that great stuff. I don't even go into this Chat Room I have never even been in it. As far as I know no one here even uses the Chat Room. So how can I be in a Chat Room I have never used before?

Answer that Mrs.Great :lol:

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[lightwav]

Now now..

Eagle:

No need for that sort of attack in here, it's not welcome.. Telling someone they suck is getting a little personal and I won't allow it.


Mena:

Everyone is welcome here unless they are no good hateful people that never have anything good to say (we have seen this before with some others).


In any case, let's all get along because the forum is for everyone's enjoyment and not for everyone's misery!

I will edit both of your post for everyone's enjoyment..